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I have been driving for Forward Air for three months now. I have been making some money, unlike the year I spent as an independent with my own authority. However, I am not making as much after all expenses as I would make as a company driver doing the same miles. I also dislike the 100% night driving and the constant push of expedited freight. If I (or any driver) stops for an hour to have a meal and take a break they start to freak out.
So taking the advice of the folks on this forum I have been looking into carriers who pay percentage. I only have 1.5 years driving experience so that limits my choices somewhat, but I have found two possibilities Carroll Fulmer and Sunco Carriers.
Carroll Fulmer pays 70% of the linehaul plus the FSC and has a terminal close to my home. No shop at their tiny terminal. This is dry van and if you supply your own dry van you get 80%. They claim to have plenty of work, will let me stay in the SE and get me home one day per week. They claim the average driver will make about $1.30 to $1.35 per loaded mile including the FSC. No pay for deadhead miles.They claim the average driver has a weekly settlement of about $1,800 after fuel and insurance on about 2,500 loaded miles per week.
Sunco Carriers pulls reefers. They also offer 70% of the linehaul plus the FSC. No pay for empty miles. Detention pay only after 5 hours. The terminal is on the other side of town from me, but they have a shop on site which will do work on the O/O tractors for only $50 per hour which is a huge bargain around Atlanta. They operate in a SE region and also say they will get me home one day per week. I have met a few of their drivers on the road and they seem generally happy with the deal and also say that they get home every week without fail. Sunco says the average driver will have a weekly settlement of $1,600 to $1,700 after fuel and insurance on about 2200 miles. The miles are low because of lots of waiting time at grocery warehouses and short regional runs. However the rate per mile is supposed to average $1.35 to $1.40 including the FSC. The O/O pays for reefer fuel but they provide the trailer at no rental cost.
One is dry van, the other reefer. Both are 70% of the linehaul. I should make a little more than I am making at Forward Air WITHOUT the expedited night driving. I am leaning towards Carroll Fulmer because it is close to my house, the dry van work has fewer delays and I can easily add my own trailer to increase my cut to 80%. Which would you chose?
I also am considering just selling my tractor and being a company driver. I have seen a number of the local companies advertising .43 per mile with one year of experience. That would be much more than I am making as an O.O, but I would lose all freedom. I also would have to give up on the idea of starting back up again with my own authority anytime soon, which I was really hoping to do.
Please share your thoughts.
Maestro aka Paul McGraw
Well Maestro, it seems, that you wouldn't do any better, with that "deal" either!
Two things, got my attention;-
1) $130-$1.35, per LOADED, mile..., i'm almost positive, they meant "book" miles, with the addition of DH and OOR miles, it would probably translate to about $1.10, all hub miles run(not so great, in my opinion)
2)You've been in this business, long enough, to notice, that "fuel and ins", is just about half of your costs, so, see where that lives you, according to their numbers...
For example, if i'd run 2,500 LOADED miles (which is rarely the case, lately )
After the fuel, and ins, hell, i'd even trow in tolls , it would be around 3 grand...
Also, i'd pay attention, what kind of "extras" do they pay..(detention, stops, NYC, driver assist....etc) cause those extras, usualy goes directly in your pocket,-very low overhead.
Wouldn't comment on reefers, not my turf...
Not really, i'm just trying to have some fun!
My take: Losing money is not cool . Would you like to be a line haul driver? You might want to check Roadway Express. Here in Cali, the West Sacramento terminal is (servicing No. Cal, Oregon, and Nevada) short 20 drivers for line haul. Here are some of specs I received. Paid by the mile, starting at .51. But you will start as a casual driver (not full-time), 8-12 hr days. You must join the UNION!!! No benifits . You have some control, you can turn down runs from your dispatcher, but you don't get paid. After talking to some drivers, they love the flexiabilty . Drivers avg about 400 miles per day. Drop and hook baby. Depending on the terminal, you might be detanted for an 1 or 2 hrs. Home EVERY night or day, depending on the shift. Freight is heavy here. A lot of stuff from the east coast.
Now after 40 tours (runs) you qualify benifits plus you are entered in a Linehaul Driver pool, where the company will hire full time drivers (P&D or line haul). Once you are picked from the "pool" you get company paid benifites, retirement and other perks. Plus, you pick your shift. Pretty much, your set.
My sugesstion is to look for a terminal in your area and apply ASAP. You have the driving experience and talent. So.....What is holding you back? GO FOR IT!!!!
Q in Sac
Ivey EnviroTech Services
Start Up date: 3/1/06
Let me make a possible suggestion here. I have a set of rules I long ago developed that I follow that I call my "3 1/2 Rules". I won't go into all of them here, because only one possibly applies here. But rule number 2 is simple enough.
"If all you have is a 5th wheel, you compete with everyone with a 5th wheel. If you have a product blower, liquid pump, in transit heater, or hydraulic wet kit, you can do things that the guys with only a 5th wheel cannot do. You can still drop in and take on their work, but they cannot do yours. Specialty trucks earn specialty pay".
Hve you ever considered getting into something like dump work, or liquid hauling or something other than vans and flatbeds? I have found out that I make out much better than the average by doing something other than van work. And I have seen the numbers from our O/O's at work, and I run my own numbers on the computer to see what the income would be if I owned my own truck.
Now, the downside to this is that I suspect that your truck is pretty heavy, since you bought with van work on mind. I'm betting that 780 clocks in close to the 21-22,000 mark, and that means that you are a little bit limited in the bulk world. Tht weight works fine for vans, but limits what you can haul without going over gross. My company Mack with a 48" sleeper, a product blower, all my gear, full tanks and me in the seat clocks in right at 18,000, which gives me leeway to haul 50k and still be under 80 by a nice margin.
Anyway, just a thought.
As long as the paperwork's clean, you boys can do whatever you want to out on the road".....Mad Max ...1979
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Thanks for the replies. I always enjoy throwing out ideas and questions to this group because I always learn something. Plus it's fun.
great points. I would only expect either Suco or Carroll Fulmer to be marginally better than my present deal at Forward Air, but I would get away from 100% night expedited driving. Long term what I would LIKE to do is go back to my own authority, but not if I cant make money at it. Aren't you doing step deck or heavy haul? I have thought about heavy haul, but I shy away from it.
Q in Sac,
Thanks for the info. I had no idea Roadway was paying that much. I will definately check them out if I give up on owning my own truck.
I have a Volvo 670 with 61" sleeper and the 12 litre Volvo engine. Great fuel mileage and lightweight engine, but not much pulling power. With me, my stuff, and a full load of fuel it weighs 19,000 pounds. I would be very open to bulk, tanker or dump work. I have only talked to one bulk carreier and one tanker carrier in the past and they both seemed to be offering about the same deal as everyone else. Who are you pulling for and what kind of work is it?
Thanks again for the replies
Maestro aka Paul McGraw
$1800 on 2500 miles is only 72%. I made almost that much back when I was leased to Schneider running OTR. You might want to check with them on their truckrail operation in Atlanta. Last I heard they were growing pretty good and those guys make pretty decent money considering they barely put any miles on their trucks. 4 12-hour days and home every night. Might be worth a look.
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