Breaking News on the Global Warming front

[RWD]

For man to think that he can effect the climate. HA! You and I are as insignificant as one lousy grain of sand in the grand scope of the universe. Don't worry about saving the earth. It will be here long after you return to dust when your soul leaves the body. GE makes windmill generators, stands to make untold billions on climate change nonsense, and also controls a large chunk of pro-Obama, Left wing propaganda media.

[RWD]

What killed the dinosaurs? Their own farts?

[revvassago]

These corporat-funded "studies" are making Capitalism dangerous not only to human lives, but also to our ability to make decisions.

Real scientific studies are being second-guessed by corporate-funded ones.

Real impartial news is being overshadowed by corporate funded news.

I never took you as being this naive. Apparently I gave you too much credit.

[glennw56401]

What I'm trying to say is that the far north is warmer then it's ever been

How do you know? "Ever" is an awful long time.

[pipeman]

What I'm trying to say is that the far north is warmer then it's ever been

How do you know? "Ever" is an awful long time.

Let's say since 1970 there has been a huge change in the Arctic. How do I know, I had crews working up there for companies such as Exxon, Sun Oil, Sheel Oil, Panarctic Oil, etc. How do you know it hasn't warmed up in the north? Probably because you haven't been past the northside of Brainerd, MN.

[glennw56401]

Let's say since 1970 there has been a huge change in the Arctic. How do I know, I had crews working up there for companies such as Exxon, Sun Oil, Sheel Oil, Panarctic Oil, etc. How do you know it hasn't warmed up in the north? Probably because you haven't been past the northside of Brainerd, MN.

Actually, I lived in Alaska for six years. I've seen many of the changes you are talking about. You are missing my point. You are talking about 40 years. The earth is ostensibly millions of years old. The climate has cycled through many changes. The temperature has gone up and down again and up and down. And nobody can convince me that man is the cause of it. If we are not the cause of it, we can do nothing to stop it. Yet they tell us that we must spend trillions of dollars to attempt to do that very thing, destroying the economy in the process.

And we are not talking about pollutants. We are talking about carbon dioxide. You emit it every time you exhale. Plants need it to survive. CO² is NOT a pollutant.

[pipeman]

Let's say since 1970 there has been a huge change in the Arctic. How do I know, I had crews working up there for companies such as Exxon, Sun Oil, Sheel Oil, Panarctic Oil, etc. How do you know it hasn't warmed up in the north? Probably because you haven't been past the northside of Brainerd, MN.

Actually, I lived in Alaska for six years. I've seen many of the changes you are talking about. You are missing my point. You are talking about 40 years. The earth is ostensibly millions of years old. The climate has cycled through many changes. The temperature has gone up and down again and up and down. And nobody can convince me that man is the cause of it. If we are not the cause of it, we can do nothing to stop it. Yet they tell us that we must spend trillions of dollars to attempt to do that very thing, destroying the economy in the process.

And we are not talking about pollutants. We are talking about carbon dioxide. You emit it every time you exhale. Plants need it to survive. CO² is NOT a pollutant.

Actually in 1999 I strung out the pipe for a 205 mile long pipeline from North dakota to Weyburn Saskatchewan where Carbon Dioxide is stored in cavern and used later to extract more oil out of the ground.

Alberta jusr earlier this week announced a couple of similar pipelines to the tune of $2.5 BILLION.

One will trap the CO2 from a coal fueled power plant while the other will be trapping the co2 from a huge refinery.

[revvassago]

Glenn, I'd suggest talking to a brick wall. It would be far more productive.

I find it funny that in the first time in our nation's history we are no longer in an industrial economy, and suddenly our pollution is destroying the world.

In Africa, drought continues for the sixth consecutive year, adding terribly to the toll of famine victims. During 1972 record rains in parts of the U.S., Pakistan and Japan caused some of the worst flooding in centuries. In Canada's wheat belt, a particularly chilly and rainy spring has delayed planting and may well bring a disappointingly small harvest. Rainy Britain, on the other hand, has suffered from uncharacteristic dry spells the past few springs. A series of unusually cold winters has gripped the American Far West, while New England and northern Europe have recently experienced the mildest winters within anyone's recollection.

As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.
Telltale signs are everywhere —from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest.Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F. Although that figure is at best an estimate, it is supported by other convincing data. When Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory and his wife Helena analyzed satellite weather data for the Northern Hemisphere, they found that the area of the ice and snow cover had suddenly increased by 12% in 1971 and the increase has persisted ever since. Areas of Baffin Island in the Canadian Arctic, for example, were once totally free of any snow in summer; now they are covered year round.


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... z0Y6Z8PYUq

[glennw56401]

I found it very revealing when he said that the evidence may be shaky and unprovable but he believes in global warming anyway. He never even mentioned the downright fraudulent evidence that was recently revealed. Yet he's still a believer. I guess he's made up his mind and prefers not to be confused by the facts.

[revvassago]

It's funny how much global warming and Christianity have in common.

[glennw56401]

It's funny how much global warming and Christianity have in common.

Perhaps, but Christianity doesn't claim to be science.

[revvassago]

Perhaps, but Christianity doesn't claim to be science.

It certainly claims to supersede science in almost every aspect; much like global warming. Like Christianity, those who preach it believe others should follow on faith, and never mind the pesky details that don't follow logic or facts. But ultimately that's a discussion for a different forum. It was just an interesting observation I made from reading that post of yours. I could have replaced "global warming" with "Christianity" and it would have been 100% accurate, which is why I find it funny that liberals (of whom most nonbelievers align themselves) are professing something that is very much akin to a religion, and conservatives (of whom virtually all follow some form of religion) are the ones pointing out the fallacy. The commonly accepted roles have been reversed.

[dubya]

For man to think that he can effect the climate. HA! You and I are as insignificant as one lousy grain of sand in the grand scope of the universe. Don't worry about saving the earth. It will be here long after you return to dust when your soul leaves the body. GE makes windmill generators, stands to make untold billions on climate change nonsense, and also controls a large chunk of pro-Obama, Left wing propaganda media.

Can't disagree.

I'm not worried about "saving the planet" but I do support keeping it clean and liveable, for ourselves and future generations.

Actually, I lived in Alaska for six years. I've seen many of the changes you are talking about. You are missing my point. You are talking about 40 years. The earth is ostensibly millions of years old. The climate has cycled through many changes. The temperature has gone up and down again and up and down. And nobody can convince me that man is the cause of it. If we are not the cause of it, we can do nothing to stop it. Yet they tell us that we must spend trillions of dollars to attempt to do that very thing, destroying the economy in the process.

And we are not talking about pollutants. We are talking about carbon dioxide. You emit it every time you exhale. Plants need it to survive. CO² is NOT a pollutant.

Who's the true believer now, me or you.

First thing to realize is that ANY position is supportable and defensible.

This means that even if you're wrong, you'll find plenty of evidence that global warming is not man-made. And even if I'm wrong, I'll find plenty of evidence that it is.

I simply take the position that we should keep studying the problem and hedge our bets, by taking reasonable steps to reduce carbon emissions.

I don't see us spending "trillions" on it by a longshot, and you forget that technology is reusable.

R&D spent on green technology often benefits us in ways we can't predict, and I consider it money well-spent, certainly better spent than military spending, education spending, and tax cuts for the wealthy.

Of course CO2 is natural. Manure is also natural, I don't think you want 3 tons of schit in the living room.

Man isn't a threat to the planet, but he has often proved to be a threat to himself.

Perhaps, but Christianity doesn't claim to be science.

It certainly claims to supersede science in almost every aspect;

Plenty of things supercede science, which is just man's collective measurements and understanding of the world around him, which are often fallable when they aren't completely innacurate in the first place.

All I know, is that I know nothing.

- Socrates

-D

[glennw56401]

First thing to realize is that ANY position is supportable and defensible.

Then why did the main scientists making the case for anthropogenic global warming feel the need to falsify the evidence? Perhaps because the real evidence didn't support their predetermined conclusion?

[dubya]

First thing to realize is that ANY position is supportable and defensible.

Then why did the main scientists making the case for anthropogenic global warming feel the need to falsify the evidence? Perhaps because the real evidence didn't support their predetermined conclusion?

They didn't, and you're bright enough to know it.

It does look damning to the unwashed public tho and that makes it good for Fox News viewers.

A bunch of scientists arguing over methodology, why didn't we use X instead of Y, why did we include this data, why didn't we include that data. This could be totally wrong. Blah blah.

In the end decisions have to be made and work needs to be produced.

This is known as "shooting the messenger."